• Bye Bye iPod

    From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to All on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 18:54:46
    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/

    We will say what we want, but Apple would have been dead and gone without that product. The translucent iMac brought them back, but iPod ensured the cash flow that paved the way for iPhone.

    I had an mp3 player before getting an iPod eventually and never looked back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interface with the scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have white earphones with the iconic white wires. What was wrong with you?

    What do you think?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ennev on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 17:13:30
    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to All on Tue May 10 2022 06:54 pm

    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/

    We will say what we want, but Apple would have been dead and gone without that product. The translucent iMac brought them back, but iPod ensured the cash flow that paved the way for iPhone.

    I had an mp3 player before getting an iPod eventually and never looked back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interface with the scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have white earphones with the iconic white wires. What was wrong with you?

    What do you think?

    They say "while supplies last", like it's a limited edition or something.. Did Apple decide to stop making their iPod Touch?

    Before the iPod came out, I remember seeing the Diamond Rio MP3 player in stores. I didn't own one, but it seemed like it would have been easy enough to use. Like many things, Apple comes out with their own version and suddenly a lot of people want theirs.

    In 2001-2002, I did have an MP3 player, but it was a different brand. It used CompactFlash cards, and I think the biggest card I had for it was 128 megabytes. I found it fairly easy to use. Later I did have a few Apple iPods, but mainly because they had a lot more storage than the previous MP3 players I had.

    Apple's iPods were easy to use, but I always found it weird that so many people would go crazy for their products and line up to buy them when they came out.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ennev on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 00:43:00
    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to All on Tue May 10 2022 06:54 pm

    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/

    We will say what we want, but Apple would have been dead and gone without th product. The translucent iMac brought them back, but iPod ensured the cash f that paved the way for iPhone.

    I had an mp3 player before getting an iPod eventually and never looked back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interface with th scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have wh earphones with the iconic white wires. What was wrong with you?

    What do you think?


    I guess because I've always been a bit on the autistic spectrum disorder side, I never saw a dying need to keep up with the Jones'. I was hung up on the concept of what people related to as "normal" behavior. I was happy with a ch eap but reliable Taiwanese portable tape player, and didn't care about the vanity factor of owning the latest version Walkman. I did feel what it was
    like to be shamed for not having the popular brand of clothese or latest gadget. When I was really young my father worked as an inspector at a large manufacturing firm, then after 75 years of being in the same town, they
    packed up and went down south to a less union-friendly state. A few more yeards that company was bought up and shipped down to South America.
    Anyways, my father went from being paid a generous UAW age and benefits level to less than a third of what we had. We had to make several cuts to survive.
    It also taught us kids to value what we could have, and to be smart with
    the money we earned. Some of the best things in life are not things.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 01:02:00
    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Nightfox to Ennev on Tue May 10 2022 05:13 pm

    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to All on Tue May 10 2022 06:54 pm

    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/

    We will say what we want, but Apple would have been dead and gone witho that product. The translucent iMac brought them back, but iPod ensured cash flow that paved the way for iPhone.

    I had an mp3 player before getting an iPod eventually and never looked back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interf with the scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have white earphones with the iconic white wires. What was wrong with you?

    What do you think?

    They say "while supplies last", like it's a limited edition or something..

    Before the iPod came out, I remember seeing the Diamond Rio MP3 player in st irs.

    In 2001-2002, I did have an MP3 player, but it was a different brand. It us ad a lot more storage than the previous MP3 players I had.

    Apple's iPods were easy to use, but I always found it weird that so many peo

    Nightfox


    I call it the Cult of Steve Jobs. He had a vision of making machines that
    did not have the traditional machine characteristics. His obsession with not putting loud fans in his products was another example. During his exodus
    from Apple, their desktop designs were hard to tell apart than other
    desktops, and the Mac all in one designs were becoming a thing o fthe past
    with their smaller integrated displays. When I was at Zenith Data Systems,
    the customer point of veiw they adopted was "a computer is a box." The custom er is less obsessed with what is in the box than he is about what he can get out of the box. Reliability was viewed over fashion. McDonalds does not
    make gourmet food, however the concept they live by is consistency of
    product. You can go to any to any McDonalds in the USA, and have a good idea what your foos will look like and taste, granted the folks in the kitchen are keeping consistent. ZDS was consistent with good engineering, however they overlooked the consumer market versus making a living off of large purchase orders such as the military and government agencies as well as commercial businesses such as Prudential, The NFL, or Met Life.

    Back to the Cult of Jobs, the shape and feel of the box is as important as
    what comes out of it.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Nightfox on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 08:18:34
    They say "while supplies last", like it's a limited edition or something.. Did Apple decide to stop making their iPod Touch?

    Yes, they are not making new ones, so what's left is what's left. A bit when like they announced they would stop making homePod, they don't clear the shelves, they'll want to see everything and usually after an announcement like this sales pick up.


    In 2001-2002, I did have an MP3 player, but it was a different brand. It used CompactFlash cards, and I think the biggest card I had for it was 128 megabytes. I found it fairly easy to use. Later I did have a few Apple iPods, but mainly because they had a lot more storage than the previous MP3 players I had.

    Yes, my first one (kodak's MC3 (hey a player and a camera!!)) used a compact flash. So yes, a hard drive was a game-changer. To be able to fit music on my 128 and 256 mb card I had to re-compress at 96kbs, which could hold little more than a regular CD. So 5GB hard drive "a 1000 songs" that was something.

    Apple's iPods were easy to use, but I always found it weird that so many people would go crazy for their products and line up to buy them when they came out.

    Yes was the stupid "Cool" factor. it's weird sometimes that need for conformity.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Moondog on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 08:51:26
    I guess because I've always been a bit on the autistic spectrum disorder side, I never saw a dying need to keep up with the Jones'. I was hung up on the concept of what people related to as "normal" behavior. I was happy with a ch eap but reliable Taiwanese portable tape player, and didn't care about the vanity factor of owning the latest version Walkman. I did feel what it was

    I get you, myself it was only the fact that I wasn't limited to only a few songs that I would get tired of hearing, and podcasts. And the battery life, not having to recharge AA all the time and having more than a few hours of music was cool.


    It also taught us kids to value what we could have, and to be smart with the money we earned. Some of the best things in life are not things.

    So sad that profit at all cost where outsourcing was the norm without regard to people's life. And with the problem in the work right now, having the building capacity in the country would definitely help with the shortages. Myself I would be ready to pay an extra few extra $$ to have something built locally and fairly.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/FINALZON to Ennev on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 08:48:00
    Ennev wrote to All <=-

    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/

    We will say what we want, but Apple would have been dead and gone
    without that product. The translucent iMac brought them back, but iPod ensured the cash flow that paved the way for iPhone.

    Apple's had a long track record of "jumping ahead" then failing to innovate while their competitors moved past them - in price, quality and features.

    But Apple's attitude of "we control everything" always grated on me and I always found better products for less, so I had no reason to submit to the Lord Steve Jobs.

    I had an mp3 player before getting an iPod eventually and never looked back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive
    interface with the scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have white earphones with the iconic white wires.
    What was wrong with you?

    I've had many MP3 players. The Archos devices beat Apple hands down. I did own 1 iPod that I got used somewhere. It was worthless until I flashed it with Rockbox. Then it was actually pretty nice.


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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Dr. What on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 14:10:55
    But Apple's attitude of "we control everything" always grated on me and I always found better products for less, so I had no reason to submit to the Lord Steve Jobs.

    I understand the iTunes software was a pain, especially on windows :-) But I always felt there was a workaround. In a way, it helped me organize my music much better than what I was doing on winamp. With the help of stuff like "music brain picard" I tagged properly my music collection and at first, reluctantly iTunes (now music) became my central repository. But sadly that silo approach always was and is still there from many manufacturers, wasn't really easy to use a Palm Pilot without the proprietary software or even a kindle today. In a way it's sad, I don't mind that I have to use your software but let me use something else too.

    I've had many MP3 players. The Archos devices beat Apple hands down. I did own 1 iPod that I got used somewhere. It was worthless until I flashed it with Rockbox. Then it was actually pretty nice.

    Oh, the Archos, that was a nice device, forgot about it. And yes RockBox is cool :-D I like that you can dual boot I like to have it behind in my old iPod classic, which I still use from time to time. At one point and still might do it is to replace the hard drive with an SD card, the adapter is available.

    Like the iPod mini where inside the 6GB drive is actually a physical hard drive in a CF card, it can easily be swapped with CF card or a CF adapter to an SD or micro SD. Back then 6GB of flash was prohibitive (2005) but not today :-D I could put a 128GB for a few bucks.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ennev on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 15:12:52
    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to All on Tue May 10 2022 06:54 pm

    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/

    We will say what we want, but Apple would have been dead and gone without th product. The translucent iMac brought them back, but iPod ensured the cash f that paved the way for iPhone.

    I had an mp3 player before getting an iPod eventually and never looked back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interface with th scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have wh earphones with the iconic white wires. What was wrong with you?

    What do you think?


    Even cheap feature phones can double as an mp3 and radio player these days. There is not much of a reason for having a vanity portable music player anymore.

    I never understood the iPod fever. A Sansa Clip would get you about the same service without making you dependent of the Apple ecosystem. Everybody who used an iPod around me needed a different sort of wire and a specific software suite for it. Meanwhile normal people using commodity players got the same service without having to suffer.

    I still have my old players and use them every now and then :-)

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ennev on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 21:51:00
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 08:51 am

    I guess because I've always been a bit on the autistic spectrum disorder side, I never saw a dying need to keep up with the Jones'. I was hung up the concept of what people related to as "normal" behavior. I was happy with a ch eap but reliable Taiwanese portable tape player, and didn't car about the vanity factor of owning the latest version Walkman. I did feel what it was

    I get you, myself it was only the fact that I wasn't limited to only a few songs that I would get tired of hearing, and podcasts. And the battery life, not having to recharge AA all the time and having more than a few hours of music was cool.


    It also taught us kids to value what we could have, and to be smart wit the money we earned. Some of the best things in life are not things.

    So sad that profit at all cost where outsourcing was the norm without regard people's life. And with the problem in the work right now, having the buildi capacity in the country would definitely help with the shortages. Myself I would be ready to pay an extra few extra $$ to have something built locally fairly.


    Speaking of outsourcing, Russia is where they were at before WWI. While they have local productoin of their tanks and other military vehicles, the more comlex engine componnents drivetrain and electronic components come from
    either Germany or Czecheslovakia. Same goes with their aircraft and
    missiles. With current embargos, they cannot make replacement tanks or have the parts to fix things that break in the field.

    On that note, imagine if there was a limited conflict with China, and electronics from the Pacific Rim nations were cut off from being shipped outside of their navy's control. How many companies int he US or Canada or
    even Europe have the ability to make electronic component, pcb manufacturing, and pick and place assembly technology. How about basic materials for making batteries and led's for lasers and flashlights?

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dr. What on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 22:03:00
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Dr. What to Ennev on Wed May 11 2022 08:48 am

    Ennev wrote to All <=-

    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/the-music-lives-on/

    We will say what we want, but Apple would have been dead and gone without that product. The translucent iMac brought them back, but iPod ensured the cash flow that paved the way for iPhone.

    Apple's had a long track record of "jumping ahead" then failing to innovate while their competitors moved past them - in price, quality and features.

    But Apple's attitude of "we control everything" always grated on me and I always found better products for less, so I had no reason to submit to the L Steve Jobs.

    I had an mp3 player before getting an iPod eventually and never looked back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interface with the scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have white earphones with the iconic white wires. What was wrong with you?

    I've had many MP3 players. The Archos devices beat Apple hands down. I did own 1 iPod that I got used somewhere. It was worthless until I flashed it w Rockbox. Then it was actually pretty nice.


    ... In an attempt to kill a fly, I drove into a pole.

    I recall Archos. They made a nice player. I recall around 2001-2002 a department admin was asking me if I had system admin rights to install
    software (yes I did) and wanted whatever Archos software her player shipped with installed on her work pc. I told her I could if she follows through
    with putting in a software request. She said she did, and they denied it.
    she didn't state a reason. This was not her personal listening device. Her manager approved the purchase order so she could have a digital recording device for dictation and recording meetings. When she was sitting at her
    desk with headphones on, she was getting work done.

    The last project I was on was at a hospital, and the Dragon Medical suite and mics were deployed to every doctor. The program understood and would translate slang so some terms they would use such as SOB for shortness of breath would be transposed with something else. I was so used to seeing the infomercials for Dragon, and assumed it was some cheesy gimmick product.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ennev on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 17:44:25
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to Nightfox on Wed May 11 2022 08:18 am

    Yes, my first one (kodak's MC3 (hey a player and a camera!!)) used a compact flash. So yes, a hard drive was a game-changer.

    I loved my MC3! I called it my multimedia widget. I ran with one for many years, listening to my unique blend of 70's and 80's butt rock, and taking pictures of things I passed by when I ran.

    I may still have it, a SiPix Blink and an Aiptek Pencam from when I went through a low-res phase.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Arelor on Thursday, May 12, 2022 07:48:17
    Even cheap feature phones can double as an mp3 and radio players these days. There is not much of a reason for having a vanity portable music player anymore.

    I think that vanity played a lot. A kid wouldn't want to be seen with something else; it was a status thing.

    But the other aspect was simplicity, I guess. Where we are all a bunch of geeks familiar with tech, we can rip, recode, format, and copy stuff in our sleep. But for most people, it's not the case. I guess that close-up platform brought simplicity and a clear path to do things; it's the only path but a path that will work.

    How many of you set up players for relatives and friends? I think they were loading it up at purchase for a lot of users, and then the player never got any new files into them.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Moondog on Thursday, May 12, 2022 07:56:11
    On that note, imagine if there was a limited conflict with China, and electronics from the Pacific Rim nations were cut off from being shipped outside of their navy's control. How many companies int he US or Canada or even Europe have the ability to make electronic component, pcb manufacturing, and pick and place assembly technology. How about basic materials for making batteries and led's for lasers and flashlights?


    Maybe it would take some time but some capacity could be regained. The US still produces the "top of the line" CPU. Research is made in North America. Thy why the embargo on chips to china did hurt companies like Huawei and Xiaomi. For a time a lot of Power PC chips were produced here (for me) around Montreal. Usually, the prototyping is still made in America and mass production is outsourced elsewhere. Maybe that will change with current world dynamics. But won't be done overnight.

    But yes, globalism got kicked in the nuts.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, May 12, 2022 08:00:10
    I may still have it, a SiPix Blink and an Aiptek Pencam from when I went through a low-res phase.

    I still have it but it's crippled. My son, very young back then was using it too and lived to remove and replace the CF card repetitively, he must have tried to force it too much at one attempt and bent some pins.

    Always thought that for the fun of it one day I'll try to unbend or replace the connector.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@VERT/SYNCNIX to Ennev on Thursday, May 12, 2022 07:55:00
    Ennev wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Oh, the Archos, that was a nice device, forgot about it.

    I still have 2 Archos XS200 (creamed spinach screen, 20MB hard drive - not flash RAM) and 2 Archos phone-sized tablets. I still bring them out every so often for use.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ennev on Thursday, May 12, 2022 07:36:22
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to Arelor on Thu May 12 2022 07:48 am

    Even cheap feature phones can double as an mp3 and radio players these days. There is not much of a reason for having a vanity portable music player anymore.

    I think that vanity played a lot. A kid wouldn't want to be seen with something else; it was a status thing.

    But the other aspect was simplicity, I guess. Where we are all a bunch of geeks familiar with tech, we can rip, recode, format, and copy stuff in our sleep. But for most people, it's not the
    case. I guess that close-up platform brought simplicity and a clear path to do things; it's the only path but a path that will work.

    How many of you set up players for relatives and friends? I think they were loading it up at purchase for a lot of users, and then the player never got any new files into them.


    I think I have only met one person IRL who had an iPod. Everybody else was using something else.

    It is not like ripping CDs or downloading from The Pirate Bay is harder than setting up iTunes on Windows. I don't think managing an iPod was simpler.

    On the other hand, with modern music players, it is quite common for my mother to ask me to fill hers up with Heavy Metal and then she never bothers to add or remove any music :-)

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Ron Lauzon on Thursday, May 12, 2022 08:44:35
    I still have 2 Archos XS200 (creamed spinach screen, 20MB hard drive - not flash RAM) and 2 Archos phone-sized tablets. I still bring them out every so often for use.

    Wow, Archos is really popular around here. In my circle here in Montreal it was kind of rare, one would have one and have the admiration of others.

    But Apple was king and others had various Sandisk devices. And then gradually transitions toward smartphones came.

    At one time I got a Palm that could play media (T3) so I would share my headphones with my media player, I would use the T3 to listen to podcasts.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Arelor on Thursday, May 12, 2022 10:07:40
    I think I have only met one person IRL who had an iPod. Everybody else was using something else.

    Oh, here (Montreal) in public transport, iPods were dominating, not necessarily the big expensive "classic" but shuffles, Minis, Nanos.

    But the good thing is that when smartphones got introduced, I could see that Apple was not dominating as much.

    But somehow, people don't listen to music as much. What I see now is people scrolling on Instagram or Facebook etc.

    Music seems to be less popular.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ennev on Thursday, May 12, 2022 08:32:11
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to Moondog on Thu May 12 2022 07:56 am

    Maybe it would take some time but some capacity could be regained. The US still produces the "top of the line" CPU. Research is made in North

    How many CPUs are actually produced in the US? Take Intel, for example - I thought they made the silicon wafers in the US, but then the wafers would typically be shipped to China (and maybe a couple other countries) that actually made the CPUs from the wafers.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Thursday, May 12, 2022 08:35:20
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Arelor to Ennev on Thu May 12 2022 07:36 am

    I think I have only met one person IRL who had an iPod. Everybody else was using something else.

    It is not like ripping CDs or downloading from The Pirate Bay is harder than setting up iTunes on Windows. I don't think managing an iPod was simpler.

    Ripping/downloading and using iTunes are not mutually exclusive. For a while I had a couple iPods (and before that, a couple non-Apple MP3 players), and I had ripped my own CD collection and used iTunes to copy my ripped MP3s onto my iPods.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ennev on Thursday, May 12, 2022 08:36:38
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to Ron Lauzon on Thu May 12 2022 08:44 am

    Wow, Archos is really popular around here. In my circle here in Montreal it was kind of rare, one would have one and have the admiration of others.

    Same here. I think I've only known one person who had an Archos device. I thought it was cool, but from what I remember, it was bigger/bulkier and seemed a little clunky compared to an iPod. Maybe I'm thinking of something else though..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ennev on Thursday, May 12, 2022 08:37:51
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to Arelor on Thu May 12 2022 10:07 am

    But somehow, people don't listen to music as much. What I see now is people scrolling on Instagram or Facebook etc.

    Music seems to be less popular.

    That might be true. But the odd thing is they're not mutually exclusive. With smartphones, you could be listening to music while reading Facebook, Instagram, or others.

    Nightfox

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Nightfox on Thursday, May 12, 2022 14:23:20
    I
    thought they made the silicon wafers in the US, but then the wafers would typically be shipped to China (and maybe a couple other countries) that actually made the CPUs from the wafers.


    Yes, the wafer is where the art really is. cutting the wafer into chips and putting them in a package and attaching pins to it could be done anywhere.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Nightfox on Thursday, May 12, 2022 14:51:42
    That might be true. But the odd thing is they're not mutually exclusive. With smartphones, you could be listening to music while reading Facebook, Instagram, or others.

    Again it's just my perception when I'm using (rarely these days) public transport. I still see a lot of people with earbuds or headphones, but less than it used to be. Most people are reading screens nowadays.

    Let's hope they are reading :-)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ennev on Thursday, May 12, 2022 12:37:06
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to Nightfox on Thu May 12 2022 02:23 pm

    I
    thought they made the silicon wafers in the US, but then the wafers would
    typically be shipped to China (and maybe a couple other countries) that
    actually made the CPUs from the wafers.

    Yes, the wafer is where the art really is. cutting the wafer into chips and
    putting them in a package and attaching pins to it could be done anywhere.

    I'd think etching the chips and cutting the wafers is really high-precision work, and you'd need good tools and knowledgeable workers to do that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ennev on Thursday, May 12, 2022 14:25:00
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to Moondog on Thu May 12 2022 07:56 am

    On that note, imagine if there was a limited conflict with China, and electronics from the Pacific Rim nations were cut off from being shipped outside of their navy's control. How many companies int he US or Canada o even Europe have the ability to make electronic component, pcb manufacturing, and pick and place assembly technology. How about basic materials for making batteries and led's for lasers and flashlights?


    Maybe it would take some time but some capacity could be regained. The US st produces the "top of the line" CPU. Research is made in North America. Thy w the embargo on chips to china did hurt companies like Huawei and Xiaomi. For time a lot of Power PC chips were produced here (for me) around Montreal. Usually, the prototyping is still made in America and mass production is outsourced elsewhere. Maybe that will change with current world dynamics. Bu won't be done overnight.

    But yes, globalism got kicked in the nuts.

    There's no doubt we'd recover eventually. Will it happen fast enough to endure a long campaign? Will our economy survive or give way to a positive change that helps win a war? A strong supply chain prevents soldiers from leaving equipment behind that could be otherwsie salvaged and reutrned to serv ice.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Nightfox on Thursday, May 12, 2022 17:12:00
    I'd think etching the chips and cutting the wafers is really high-precision work, and you'd need good tools and knowledgeable workers to do that.

    I thought the etching was done in the US. Intel supposedly has a very diversified assembly chain all around, probably one of the more resilient companies. They just have a problem going 4nm.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Ennev on Thursday, May 12, 2022 18:36:00
    Hello Ennev!

    ** On Thursday 12.05.22 - 10:07, Ennev wrote to Arelor:

    Oh, here (Montreal) in public transport, iPods were dominating,..

    [...]

    But somehow, people don't listen to music as much. What I
    see now is people scrolling on Instagram or Facebook etc.

    Music seems to be less popular.

    Maybe that's only on your route on public transport! LOL


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ennev on Thursday, May 12, 2022 18:40:23
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 12 2022 08:00 am

    Always thought that for the fun of it one day I'll try to unbend or replace the connector.

    That's a noble hobby, re-straightening pins. I did that on a 486 CPU and more VGA cables than I could count.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ron Lauzon on Thursday, May 12, 2022 18:41:09
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ron Lauzon to Ennev on Thu May 12 2022 07:55 am

    I still have 2 Archos XS200 (creamed spinach screen, 20MB hard drive - not flash RAM) and 2 Archos phone-sized tablets. I still bring them out every so often for use.

    I have an old iPod Mini, I wonder if I could cram a Raspberry Pi Zero in it and somehow use the screen? :)

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Friday, May 13, 2022 19:17:36
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Arelor to Ennev on Thu May 12 2022 07:36 am

    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to Arelor on Thu May 12 2022 07:48 am

    Even cheap feature phones can double as an mp3 and radio players these days. There is not much of a reason for having a vanity portable music player anymore.

    I think that vanity played a lot. A kid wouldn't want to be seen with something else; it was a status thing.

    But the other aspect was simplicity, I guess. Where we are all a bunch of geeks familiar with tech, we can rip, recode, format, and copy stuff in o sleep. But for most people, it's not the case. I guess that close-up platform brought simplicity and a clear path to do things; it's the only path but a path that will work.

    How many of you set up players for relatives and friends? I think they we loading it up at purchase for a lot of users, and then the player never g any new files into them.


    I think I have only met one person IRL who had an iPod. Everybody else was using something else.

    It is not like ripping CDs or downloading from The Pirate Bay is harder than setting up iTunes on Windows. I don't think managing an iPod was simpler.

    On the other hand, with modern music players, it is quite common for my moth to ask me to fill hers up with Heavy Metal and then she never bothers to add remove any music :-)

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    My wife had an iPod or two, and it was a pain to put music on. Checking the sync setting, to make sure you wouldn't wipe a collection, then the incompatilities between whatever version of iTunes she needed, with what would urn on her Apple. I bought a device which exposed the internal drive as a USB Mass Storage device, so, so much easier.

    Apple seems easier, but it isn't. Apple users are like those people who have some convoluted, difficult way of doing things, but resist being taught some principles and knowledge to work better. Learning is too hard.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, May 13, 2022 08:44:46
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ennev on Thu May 12 2022 06:40 pm

    Always thought that for the fun of it one day I'll try to unbend or
    replace the connector.

    That's a noble hobby, re-straightening pins. I did that on a 486 CPU and more VGA cables than I could count.

    "Hobby"..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Friday, May 13, 2022 08:49:30
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 13 2022 07:17 pm

    My wife had an iPod or two, and it was a pain to put music on. Checking the sync setting, to make sure you wouldn't wipe a collection, then the incompatilities between whatever version of iTunes she needed, with what

    I used to have an iPod Touch years ago. I didn't think it was that much of a pain to put music on (and I don't remember having to worry about wiping out my collection). It was just a matter of dragging music files from the iTunes music list to the device.

    would urn on her Apple. I bought a device which exposed the internal drive as a USB Mass Storage device, so, so much easier.

    I had tried browsing the filesystem of my iPod Touch, and I found that the MP3 files I put on it were copied to strange locations and renamed to something thta looked like hashes or something. If I had just copied MP3 files somewhere on it, I don't think its internal player software would have seen them. It seemed that the music syncing scheme between a computer and an iPod had some scheme to keep track of the music files.. I figured the iPods (and also iPhones) may have been using some database to keep track of the music files and would name the music files based on a hash or something used by the databse to identify them.

    Nightfox

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Moondog on Friday, May 13, 2022 18:35:38
    There's no doubt we'd recover eventually. Will it happen fast enough to endure a long campaign?

    We'll recover for sure. Just how painful it will be? the length of the campaign will decide.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Ogg on Friday, May 13, 2022 18:36:05
    Maybe that's only on your route on public transport! LOL

    Yeah my route sucks :-)

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, May 13, 2022 18:36:53
    That's a noble hobby, re-straightening pins. I did that on a 486 CPU and more VGA cables than I could count.

    Just sad when the pin just snap when you unbend :-/

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, May 13, 2022 18:38:17
    I have an old iPod Mini, I wonder if I could cram a Raspberry Pi Zero in it and somehow use the screen? :)

    Maybe no need, just install rockbox on it. https://www.rockbox.org/ you'll have plenty of fun just with the original hardware.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Nightfox on Friday, May 13, 2022 18:39:05
    "Hobby"..


    masochistic :-D

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Nightfox on Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:24:31
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Fri May 13 2022 08:49 am

    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri May 13 2022 07:17 pm

    My wife had an iPod or two, and it was a pain to put music on. Checking the sync setting, to make sure you wouldn't wipe a collection, then the incompatilities between whatever version of iTunes she needed, with wha

    I used to have an iPod Touch years ago. I didn't think it was that much of pain to put music on (and I don't remember having to worry about wiping out collection). It was just a matter of dragging music files from the iTunes music list to the device.

    would urn on her Apple. I bought a device which exposed the internal dr as a USB Mass Storage device, so, so much easier.

    I had tried browsing the filesystem of my iPod Touch, and I found that the M files I put on it were copied to strange locations and renamed to something thta looked like hashes or something. If I had just copied MP3 files somewh on it, I don't think its internal player software would have seen them. It seemed that the music syncing scheme between a computer and an iPod had some scheme to keep track of the music files.. I figured the iPods (and also iPhones) may have been using some database to keep track of the music files would name the music files based on a hash or something used by the databse identify them.

    Nightfox


    I had heard of people who synced thier collection, or had autosync, and it synced the blank playlist on their computer with their iPod, thereby making their iPod blank.

    It never happened to me, but it could happen if you set things up the wrong way.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Friday, May 13, 2022 06:46:00
    Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-

    Ripping/downloading and using iTunes are not mutually exclusive. For a while I had a couple iPods (and before that, a couple non-Apple MP3 players), and I had ripped my own CD collection and used iTunes to copy
    my ripped MP3s onto my iPods.

    I'm setting up a spare phone, I got an iPhone SE to replace an older
    phone on my account that didn't have 4G.

    Loading iTunes on my computer for the first time in 8 years, I'm
    reminded what a steaming heap of dung it is. I've run Android, and
    like being able to take my SD card out, load any music or video format
    on it, and play it with VLC or any audio app.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ennev on Friday, May 13, 2022 06:49:00
    Ennev wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Again it's just my perception when I'm using (rarely these days) public transport. I still see a lot of people with earbuds or headphones, but less than it used to be. Most people are reading screens nowadays.

    I've discovered the importance of mindfulness in your actions.
    Focusing on what I'm doing in the present helps me increase focus at
    work and appreciate the moment.

    I've found myself in line or waiting somewhere, and focused on my breathing,
    he
    feeling of the ground, the sun on my skin, a warm breeze - grounding
    myself in the moment.

    Everyone else is checking their Instagram feed.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Friday, May 13, 2022 06:51:00
    Moondog wrote to Ennev <=-

    There's no doubt we'd recover eventually. Will it happen fast enough
    to endure a long campaign? Will our economy survive or give way to a positive change that helps win a war?

    I haven't listened to it, but I saw a podcast episode about the
    administration spending billions to stimulate local chip production.
    Makes sense from a security standpoint, but tough to remain competitive.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ennev on Saturday, May 14, 2022 20:39:00
    Ennev wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Maybe no need, just install rockbox on it. https://www.rockbox.org/
    you'll have plenty of fun just with the original hardware.

    I'd forgotten about that! Looking it up now.



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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, May 15, 2022 15:00:00
    Hello poindexter FORTRAN!

    ** On Friday 13.05.22 - 06:46, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox:

    Loading iTunes on my computer for the first time in 8
    years, I'm reminded what a steaming heap of dung it is.
    I've run Android, and like being able to take my SD card
    out, load any music or video format on it, and play it
    with VLC or any audio app.

    For me, I find that the iTunes prog is quite a fine performer
    as a database for local tunes. I still use 10.5.0.142 on my XP
    machines. One of them shares its repository with another
    iTunes repository that I have on a Win7/64 desktop.

    It is also a very capable ripper, and converter.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nightfox on Sunday, May 15, 2022 15:05:00
    Hello Nightfox!

    ** On Friday 13.05.22 - 08:49, Nightfox wrote to Boraxman:

    I used to have an iPod Touch years ago. I didn't think it
    was that much of a pain to put music on (and I don't
    remember having to worry about wiping out my collection).
    It was just a matter of dragging music files from the
    iTunes music list to the device.

    Tww iPods here over the years. Never had a problem with moving
    music over to them. I never used the sync feature per se, just
    a basic drag-drop.

    I had tried browsing the filesystem of my iPod Touch, and I
    found that the MP3 files I put on it were copied to strange
    locations and renamed to something thta looked like hashes
    or something.

    I noticed that too when I discovered i-FunBox for the PC. i-
    Funbox was my tool of choice when I simply needed to use the
    iPods as "storage" devices for transporting temporary files
    like video files or documents.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Boraxman on Sunday, May 15, 2022 15:12:00
    Hello Boraxman!

    ** On Friday 13.05.22 - 19:17, Boraxman wrote to Arelor:

    My wife had an iPod or two, and it was a pain to put music
    on. Checking the sync setting, to make sure you wouldn't
    wipe a collection, then the incompatilities between
    whatever version of iTunes she needed, with what would urn
    on her Apple. I bought a device which exposed the internal
    drive as a USB Mass Storage device, so, so much easier.

    I used i-Funbox to access my iPods as simple storage devices.

    Wrt to incompatibilities.. never had an issue, and still
    don't. My iPods are 2nd gen and 3rd gen, and I'm the most
    current I can ever hope to be on my XP with iTunes 10.5.0.142.

    Works just fine.

    Apple seems easier, but it isn't. Apple users are like
    those people who have some convoluted, difficult way of
    doing things, but resist being taught some principles and
    knowledge to work better. Learning is too hard.

    I got my iPods USED. I felt that the prices at brand new were
    totally rediculous. But.. the design of the iPod is brilliant.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, May 15, 2022 14:27:34
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri May 13 2022 06:46 am

    I'm setting up a spare phone, I got an iPhone SE to replace an older
    phone on my account that didn't have 4G.

    Loading iTunes on my computer for the first time in 8 years, I'm
    reminded what a steaming heap of dung it is. I've run Android, and
    like being able to take my SD card out, load any music or video format
    on it, and play it with VLC or any audio app.

    I agree. I think it's a lot easier to just copy music over and have the media player on my phone just recognize it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Ogg on Monday, May 16, 2022 15:58:25
    I noticed that too when I discovered i-FunBox for the PC. i-
    Funbox was my tool of choice when I simply needed to use the
    iPods as "storage" devices for transporting temporary files
    like video files or documents.

    like 10 years ago at work we had to in an emergency copy a database of about 20GB, the only thing we had readily available was the modified iPod classic with a 320GB HD. It got us out of trouble.

    No special software was needed just have to set through the iTunes software "enable disk use" and that wast it. Of could it would play media files there but enable you to transport files.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Monday, May 16, 2022 06:33:00
    Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    It is also a very capable ripper, and converter.

    I do miss ripping CDs, while getting all the metadata right - that's
    one thing I appreciate iTunes for.


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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 13:11:26

    I do miss ripping CDs while getting all the metadata right - that's
    one thing I appreciate iTunes for.

    I still rip sometimes with "music" on the mac, and it still does everything.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 04:20:29
    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Moondog to Ennev on Wed May 11 2022 12:43 am

    back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interface with th scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have wh earphones with the iconic white wires. What was wrong with you?

    What do you think?


    I guess because I've always been a bit on the autistic spectrum disorder side, I never saw a dying need to keep up with the Jones'. I was hung up on


    when i was a kid there was a lot of pressure. i'm an adult now so i dont dress nice all the time, even at work. my son wanted all that apple shit and i would explain why i'd never buy an apple product and i'd get him an alternative that's better.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 04:22:45
    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Wed May 11 2022 01:02 am


    I call it the Cult of Steve Jobs. He had a vision of making machines that did not have the traditional machine characteristics. His obsession with not putting loud fans in his products was another example. During his exodus

    you can probably find articles describing how they borrowed design ideas. https://www.fastcompany.com/3063280/the-irony-of-apples-war-on-design-theft
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ennev on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 15:57:03
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to Dr. What on Wed May 11 2022 02:10 pm

    I understand the iTunes software was a pain, especially on windows :-) But I always felt there was a workaround. In a way, it helped me organize my music much better than what I was doing on winamp. With the help of stuff like "music brain picard" I tagged properly my music collection and at first, reluctantly iTunes (now music) became my central repository. But sadly that silo approach always was and is still there from many manufacturers, wasn't really easy to use a Palm Pilot without the proprietary software or even a kindle today. In a way it's sad, I don't mind that I have to use your software but let me use something else too.


    yeah but there was software out there that helped you manange your music library for free. i had some that would mass tag and mass rename files and directories.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 15:57:41
    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Arelor to Ennev on Wed May 11 2022 03:12 pm



    Even cheap feature phones can double as an mp3 and radio player these days. There is not much of a reason for having a vanity portable music player anymore.

    I never understood the iPod fever. A Sansa Clip would get you about the same service without making you dependent of the Apple ecosystem. Everybody who used an iPod around me needed a different sort of wire and a specific software suite for it. Meanwhile normal people using commodity players got the same service without having to suffer.


    i use my phone for a music player when i walk.
    works great.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sunday, May 15, 2022 17:59:43
    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 15 2022 03:00 pm

    Hello poindexter FORTRAN!

    ** On Friday 13.05.22 - 06:46, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox:

    Loading iTunes on my computer for the first time in 8
    years, I'm reminded what a steaming heap of dung it is.
    I've run Android, and like being able to take my SD card
    out, load any music or video format on it, and play it
    with VLC or any audio app.

    For me, I find that the iTunes prog is quite a fine performer
    as a database for local tunes. I still use 10.5.0.142 on my XP
    machines. One of them shares its repository with another
    iTunes repository that I have on a Win7/64 desktop.

    It is also a very capable ripper, and converter.

    so what do you mean by 'database'? you mean you can search all the songs you have? you can do that without itunes if htat's what you mean.

    i'm still using winamp here.
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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/BACKWOOD to MRO on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 10:02:52
    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: MRO to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 04:20 am

    Did you simply explain it, or did you check that he understood?

    I remember getting a lot of things explained to me as a kid, and it was a waste of time for both of us. You can explain until you're blue in the face, but none of that will matter if the other person isn't operating with the same values.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Margaerynne on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 10:03:42
    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Margaerynne to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 10:02 am

    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: MRO to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 04:20 am

    Did you simply explain it, or did you check that he understood?

    I remember getting a lot of things explained to me as a kid, and it was a waste of time for both of us. You can explain until you're blue in the face, but none of that will matter if the other person isn't operating with the same values.


    quote your msg replies. i can't remember what you are replying to.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 13:11:14
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Mon May 16 2022 06:33 am

    I do miss ripping CDs, while getting all the metadata right - that's
    one thing I appreciate iTunes for.

    There are also other CD ripping programs that can download the metadata and apply it to MP3/FLAC/etc. files automatically. And other programs like MP3Tag make it easy to update common tags in multiple files (such as album name and cover photo, auto-incrementing track numbers, etc.).

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ennev on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 22:21:00
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Ennev to Ogg on Mon May 16 2022 03:58 pm

    I noticed that too when I discovered i-FunBox for the PC. i-
    Funbox was my tool of choice when I simply needed to use the
    iPods as "storage" devices for transporting temporary files
    like video files or documents.

    like 10 years ago at work we had to in an emergency copy a database of about 20GB, the only thing we had readily available was the modified iPod classic with a 320GB HD. It got us out of trouble.

    No special software was needed just have to set through the iTunes software "enable disk use" and that wast it. Of could it would play media files there but enable you to transport files.


    I worked for a printing company, and the IT manager would allow users to use a external mail app on their personal cell phones and Ipod touch's when
    connected through the internal wifi. This was around 2011/ 2012, so there wer e a few generations out there. The managers that carried them all had
    slightly older models their kids had abandoned. It was easier to get than
    ask for a company device.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 22:39:00
    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: MRO to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 04:20 am

    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Moondog to Ennev on Wed May 11 2022 12:43 am

    back. They nailed the coffin on other players with the intuitive interface with th scroll wheel. Just sad that it was also a vanity product. You didn't have wh earphones with the iconic white wires. Wha was wrong with you?

    What do you think?


    I guess because I've always been a bit on the autistic spectrum disorder side, I never saw a dying need to keep up with the Jones'. I was hung up


    when i was a kid there was a lot of pressure. i'm an adult now so i dont dre

    The only reason I buy name brand stuff is when I know it is much better than a
    lesser or in house brand from Walmart, or other mega stores. Sad part s somed
    of the older brand names I could trust have all been bought up and now
    produce clothing in others countries cheaper. Not just in price cheaper, but cheaply made.

    I don't mind burning cheap jeans and work pants if i can buy three or four
    pair for the price of whatever the cool brand goes for. Shoes are a
    different story because I wear through cheap shoes faster and the price
    savings isn't that great. I can recycle faded or old clothes for home use. worn out shoes are worn out shoes regardless.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 23:01:54
    Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 10:39 pm

    a
    lesser or in house brand from Walmart, or other mega stores. Sad part s somed
    of the older brand names I could trust have all been bought up and now produce clothing in others countries cheaper. Not just in price cheaper, but cheaply made.

    I don't mind burning cheap jeans and work pants if i can buy three or

    four
    pair for the price of whatever the cool brand goes for. Shoes are a different story because I wear through cheap shoes faster and the price savings isn't that great. I can recycle faded or old clothes for home use. worn out shoes are worn out shoes regardless.


    i pretty much wear the same shit every week because i don't want to dig through my clothes. i have nice shoes, too. i have about 20 pairs of shoes and boots. same with leather jackets.
    i also probably have like 200 carhartt shirts. i wish i could send them back to be dyed again. they just fade but they are in good shape.

    i don't care anymore. i'm old.

    atleast i dont stink!

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Nightfox on Thursday, May 19, 2022 19:19:27
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 17 2022 01:11 pm

    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Mon May 16 2022 06:33 am

    I do miss ripping CDs, while getting all the metadata right - that's one thing I appreciate iTunes for.

    There are also other CD ripping programs that can download the metadata and apply it to MP3/FLAC/etc. files automatically. And other programs like MP3T make it easy to update common tags in multiple files (such as album name and cover photo, auto-incrementing track numbers, etc.).

    Nightfox


    Long time GRIP user here. It will be a sad day when it is no longer runnable. Insert the CD, it gets the tags from CDDB (or whatever free equivalent is around now), easy to configure and simple.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Thursday, May 19, 2022 09:40:54
    Re: Re: Bye Bye iPod
    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Thu May 19 2022 07:19 pm

    Long time GRIP user here. It will be a sad day when it is no longer runnable. Insert the CD, it gets the tags from CDDB (or whatever free equivalent is around now), easy to configure and simple.

    I've used GRIP before, but I've done most of my ripping in Windows.

    I do enjoy being able to rip discs and do what I want with the files. I still occasionally rip movies from blu-ray disc to put up on my Plex media server. Recently I've been happy to see that there are Linux versions of some of the video transcoding tools I use (namely, Handbrake), though I haven't really checked for a Linux program that can rip blu-ray discs. For ripping blu-ray discs, I tend to use MakeMKV these days, and that's only available for Windows and Mac OS X. Perhaps it would run under Wine, but I haven't tried that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Monday, May 23, 2022 10:01:00
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Sunday 15.05.22 - 17:59, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    For me, I find that the iTunes prog is quite a fine
    performer as a database for local tunes. I still use
    10.5.0.142 on my XP machines. One of them shares its
    repository with another iTunes repository that I have on a
    Win7/64 desktop.

    It is also a very capable ripper, and converter.

    so what do you mean by 'database'? you mean you can search
    all the songs you have? you can do that without itunes if
    htat's what you mean.

    Just searching for tunes using Explorer or CLI is not the same
    thing. With the mp3 tags in place, it's very easy too look up a
    genre, a year, any part of the artist's name or title. iTunes
    as a local music database manager is very quick. Plus.. I
    liked the built-in local network support to share tunes across
    PCs.


    i'm still using winamp here.

    I had to drop Winamp for some reason.. don't remember what. I
    used it quite a bit with my WinME set up.

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